my fein turbo 3 died any idea's?

[knight_toolworks]

this is the older non electronic control one. it just did not turn on. I don't think it is the plug as it is plugged in all of the time and seldom unplugged. and the plug is in great shape. it is not used with another tool but I was thinking a breaker popped but I don't see any. any idea's I got to have it working so I will have to buy another and send it in for repair if I can't solve it.

[Brady Watson]

You can buy a replacement motor from Fein - or just make your own 9-15 setup. You may be able to replace the Fein motor with a 9-15 style motor with 10+ inches of mercury on the pull vs the Fein 7.3" Hg.

Most vac motors are a standard size - the Fein may be a 5.7" - which I think the Lighthouse motors are available in that size. If this is the case, it would just be a matter of getting the new motor in the vac body with all of the soundproofing to keep things quiet.

-B

[harold_weber]

I would check the motor brushes. If they are worn out, Grainger sells brushes for Ametek-Lamb motors, and my 2002 Fein uses that brand.

[Brady Watson]

Good to know Harold - thanks for chiming in.

-B

[knight_toolworks]

how do you get it apart? there are some screws on the bottom will that let you take the top off? i will have to get a vacuum tomorrow so I have time to work on the old one.

[harold_weber]

Yes, there are 4 screws in some deep counterbores in the black plastic part that also has the rubber seal. The worst part for me was remembering where all the sound deadening foam pieces had to be placed when I put the thing back together. You might want to make some sketches or take photos. You can find parts lists on the internet, and can also buy the brushes from Fein in PA if thats what it needs.

[tracys]

What is a 9-15 style motor?

[harold_weber]

Try searching for: The 9-15 - Open Source Vacuum Project


(I had to use Google to find it - can't seem to use the Vbulletin search very well...........)

[knight_toolworks]

Brady how noisy was the setup hooked to the pipe? I like the cost about 1/2 the cost of a fein. looks like they have a more powerful one now too.

[Mayo]

Is it possible the problem is the on off switch rather than the motor?
Did you try to bypass the switch?

[Brady Watson]

Those vac motors spin like 20,000 RPM or something...It isn't quiet - nor is the Fein with the insulation and casing removed.

Try applying 110v to the motor without going thru the switch as Mayo suggests. Then check brushes. If nothing else, check the size of the motor and see if Lighthouse can get you a replacement that fits with more suction.

You can always buy a Lighthouse motor and experiment with your own setup...which is what the 9-15 is all about.

-B

[waynelocke]

Four years ago I replaced the motor in a Fein Turbo II (I think) with a replacement from Graingers, http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2m433&op=search&Ntt=2m433&N=0&sst=subset&typeaheadSearch.x=32&typeaheadSearch.y=4. The current Grainger price is $155.75. Lighthouse may have a better price.

The motor was a drop in replacement.

[Brady Watson]

Thanks for the info, Wayne.

Lighthouse does have that model for $139.99

http://www.floorscrubberpartsdepot.com/motors.htm

Part number: 116763-13

It specs out slightly higher in suction @ 7.8" Hg

-B

[knight_toolworks]

I did not take the motor out but I did not see the brushes. the motor is in a metal tube. I guess I have to take it out?

[Brady Watson]

Fein Parts Nomeclature PDF (http://www.apexgrange.com/Products/PowerTools/ExtractorsAndVacuums/FeinTurboIII/FeinTurboIII(Tech).pdf)

[beacon14]

If you look at the specs on the replacement motors they pretty much all say they are rated for 500 hours, which sounds like a lot of vacuuming, but it's only equivalent to 10 hours a week for a year. I've had two of my four Fein motors go out in the last few months (two of the four were under the 'bot, the other two were used around the shop and on installs and for cleaning the spoilboard between sheets). Now we're limping along with the two working motors until I can re-do the manifold and plumbing to work with replacement motors instead of paying to have the Fein's repaired or replaced.

I think we will be seeing more Fein motor failures now that a bunch of us have been using them for several years.

[Brady Watson]

I think we will be seeing more Fein motor failures now that a bunch of us have been using them for several years.

You just had to say that, didn't you!?? :D

-B

[beacon14]

Just callin' it like I see it...

[ron_moorehead]

Yea, mine died a month ago. :( Had to go out and buy a new one right away to finish my work that day.

[Brady Watson]

I know I have over 500 hrs on mine...so I guess it is only a matter of time. BUT...I ONLY use it for vac hold down. NEVER has this vac been used to pickup dust. The filter is still snow white.

What now?...a water cooled version of the 9-15? :D

-B

[bleeth]

Brady:

I thought you used a Brady Vac!!:confused:

[Brady Watson]

BradyVac I & BradyVacII - yes - all the time. 9-15 no. My original 9-15 setup that started the whole thing off was sold to a fellow ShopBotter. I also have a 5hp FPZ and 10hp Becker 250, but it makes no sense running them for small jobs that the Fein can handle.

What I've found over the years is that how you use your vacuum source is more important than the vacuum source itself. Most people don't realize just how little vacuum you really need to hold things down. It's all how you use it.

-B

[widgetworks_unlimited]

I know there's nothing as quiet as the Fein Vacs, but since Steve asked about how loud the 9-15 motors are, I thought I'd share my experience...

I just finished a vacuum table that uses 2 of the 9-15 motors enclosed in a 3/4 ply box, including the Lighthouse mufflers and have been running it all week.

After reading endless complaint about the noise on this forum, I have to admit that I was concerned when I ordered these motors.

I've found the noise from my setup isn't nearly as bad as I remember at other shops where folks didn't enclose the motors and/or didn't use mufflers. I wouldn't recommend skipping these elements.

I'd say that the noise level from my 2 motors is similar to running a router or saw. Since I'm already wearing ear plugs for the dust collector, compressor, etc. that I run, the added noise inside the shop isn't much worse. Outside the shop, I don't think the difference with/without the vacuum running is noticeable to my neighbors either.

Are they loud? Yes. Is the noise worth the results? Yes.

Am I ready to jump to 4 motors and double the noise level, like many others on the forum? Not yet.

[harryball]

Now for pondering questions...
How much does heat contributes to the early failure?
OR... does cold cause problems with the bearings?
AND... does more vacuum increase or decrease the wear? i.e. with a good vac seal there is less load on the motors than when it is moving air.

I have mine outside in a storage box. I always open it to run for ventilation. I run in the morning and evenings, very little during the heat of the day (because I can't take it) but at anytime during the winter.

I've had these feins since early 2008, just looking at the number of bat houses we've built not including other projects I have +/- 500 hours on them. If they die now David owes me new ones right? I mean he did say hundreds of these things were going to start dropping like flies. :eek:

Something else to watch for... :rolleyes:

/RB

[Brady Watson]

... If they die now David owes me new ones right?
/RB

Absolutely. I think that's why he chimed in...:D:D:D

-B

[knight_toolworks]

I was going to order a replacement motor tomorrow so of course what happens? my other fein dies.

[beacon14]

"sound of crickets chirping...."

[knight_toolworks]

Got the grainger replacement today and it was a easy install and works well.

[ken_rychlik]

Can you post the grainger part number for future references?

Kenneth

[knight_toolworks]

here it is right from this thread (G) all I had to do is splice the end of the original wire onto the new motor and all was well.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2m433&op=search&Ntt=2m433&N=0&sst=subset&typeaheadSearch.x=32&typeaheadSearch.y=4http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2m433&op=search&Ntt=2m433&N=0&sst=subset&typeaheadSearch.x=32&typeaheadSearch.y=4