100k garage questions - Partnership licence

[pierrearchi]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to ask a question about how to work with 100k garage. I have several products that I want to develop in the U.S.. They are in the form of cutting vectric files. I would like to contract with Shopbot owner as me to manufacture and sell (like i do with Atfab architects at the moment). How? I think 100k Garage does not offer a specific solutions in this case ... I find it interesting 100kGarage offers a standard contract to allow Shopbot owners to sell and manufacture products of each other under a "Shopbot quality distributed manufacturing license". Maybe it could be interesting to have the possibility to download this partnership contract in 100k garage to link 2 Shopbot owners developping this special product.

It will be easy to create it at Adobe formscentral to make it easily possible online on the web to precise the fee %, the contract delay ..., general options and other things. Shopbot inc. could be a "deal garantor" ...It goes in the way to improve distributed manufacturing way of working ... and cut quality process to my point of view ? Hope it is clear.

Thank you for your reply.

Pierre

[bill.young]

Hi Pierre,

Good to hear you are pondering 100kGarages.com.

Let us know about the partnership contract you are referring to … we’re not clear on that.

When Ted and I first started thinking about 100kGarages we imagined that 100kGarages would stay out of any transactions...that it would basically be a matchmaking service. We basically thought that we had 3 jobs...

1) to educate people about digital fabrication so that they could work with fabbers
2) to provide a way for people to connect with those fabbers, and for fabbers to work with each other on collaborative projects
3) to try to act as an intermediary if problems arose.

We feel like we've made a dent in #1, more progress in #2, and fortunately #3 hasn't happened very often at all and those have been smoothly resolved.

With all the talk of the "New Industrial Revolution" and the general increase in awareness of distributed manufacturing, though, we're looking at ways that 100kGarages can evolve to meet these opportunities. Your Ekoflex furniture was one of the first examples of products that were designed for this type of local digital manufacturing. AtFAB has certainly increased the awareness of it with their Kickstarter campaign, and it's something we are working on for Handibot manufacturing.

We appreciate that there are a number of important quality-control, materials and sourcing, logistical, and financial questions that need to be addressed to make distributed manufacturing work for all involved. Our approach has been to view this as a constructive, interactive, iterative, and collaborative work in progress, with 100kGarages a good place to work on the challenges.

Ted will be posting a new blog on 100kGarages on distributed manufacturing of Handibots that we hope that will help jumpstart discussions on creating distributed manufacturing options and possibilities. I’d suggest we all begin posting and continuing this discussion there (or at least cross-posting) to involve the participants in the 100kGarage community – which is a group that extends beyond the ShopBot community.

Bill

[myxpykalix]

Pierre,
It would seem to me that the way this might work for you is, of the guys who are signed up on 100k garages you might want to contact all of them and set some type of cutting agreement up in advance so that lets say you get an order for a chair from Bill in ohio then you set it up with Joe who has a shopbot in dayton to cut it, pack and ship it.

[gerryv]

ROI: That's what its all about for those designers and gabbers who have made the effort isn't it? This seems to be what it comes down to and fairly so. 100k Garages is a good concept that deserves to flourish as long as it can address this most basic and near universal need of those who toil for a reasonable "financial" reward to pay the unforgiving bills and need to put a little away for the harder times that may well come. I surely do hope it achieves that but also understand that the real core commitment of any "contracts" attached will be critical to the projects success or failure in the broader sense. Good question Pierre and sincere wishes that the project succeeds in addressing the ROI need.

[pierrearchi]

Bill thank you for your response confirming that the way of working of 100k garage does not match my attentes : Giving the possibility to a shopbotter to cut, sell and developp a product on a specific area by is own made by an another shopbotter or a pro creative people ... not only waiting for an unique order in 100k garage.

Jack and Gerald, you have completely understood my question.

I still do not understand why such a type of contract between two universal shopbotters does not exist today which highlights the quality of cutting the shopbot and clarifies the working relationship between shopbot 2 owners who want to exchange files cutting products?

My idea is that I submit to Ted and Bill:
- Put on the web a universal contract between two shopbotters A (creator) and B (seller) in which it is possible to specify:
- the geographical area in which B can cut and sell the products of A.
- Select the type of material possible to determine B by A.
- Clarify the payment of fees and the percentage of sales donated to A by B.
- Set a maximum selling price giving by A.
- Knowing if B could make some improvement on the product.
- Attach a quality charter cutting Shopbot in which both parties agree to a level of exigency towards the customer. Signed by A and B.
- Consider Shopbot Inc. can resolve a conflict between two shopbotters before going before a court if necessary.
- Have a webpage on the site Shopbot on which it is possible to know official partnership between different Shopboters and products with which they are associated.

Shopbot Inc. will work as a kind of "professional order" giving guarantees on the proper relationship between Shopbotters. I certainly forget points but it gives an idea ... I can not see myself calling an American lawyer to draft such a contract every time I want to work with a Shopbotter on a specific area.

I think this way of working is different of 100kgarages and put forward :
- the Shopbot network
- Shopbot quality of production.
-A "Shopbot way" of being with customers.
-A "Shopbot way" of developping new product and a new way of selling.

100k garage is a bit like (not fantastic) Europe organisation : Trying to make an hypothetical matchmaking "market" with universal rules for everyone instead of giving real tool for each people (country) to help them to developp by themselves ...

Again, i don't understand why this type of tool don't exist yet ... which protects and develops the relationship between the creative people and manufacturers in a relationship of mutual trust ... a discussion I had with Bill a few years ago on this forum yet ...

Pierre.

[myxpykalix]

Pierre,
I don't think Shopbot wants to act as "referee" between 2 shopbotters and i think you might be making this harder then it needs to be (i'm guilty of that!)
I think that you have to set it up between you and your network of shopbotters an agreement on quality which i think is not as big a worry as you might think it is.
Then you have your website set up where the customer buys the chair from you.
You forward the order and the cutting files to the closest shopbotter
he cuts it, packs it, ships it

I actually see you making the smaller amount out of the whole transaction because the shopbotter is doing all the work.

I think you need to come up with a price for your chair that you sell it at
You agree with the shopbotter on the cost of material
You agree with the shopbotter on the cost of labor
You agree with the shopbotter on the cost of packaging/handling

Am I still on the right track?:confused: