New E P A laws

[c_kling]

anyone know about the things that we have
to do before 4-22 2010 when the new laws on lead
start.The way i see it you have to get license
from epa for your co. and traing for at lest 1
person on the job .Fees and equip. it could cost
12to1500. there is 134 pages on it on the epa

[myxpykalix]

Christian "laws on lead" (you mean the metal?) why would that apply to us? We're woodworkers!

[garyb]

Jack, its in reference to lead base finishes (paint)

[myxpykalix]

I thought they took lead out of paint years ago? I know i have to have a section in my leases to show that i don't have lead based paints so the little rugrats won't go chewing on the woodwork.

[beacon14]

There are new requirements for anyone working on a home built before the early 70's. Such older homes can have lead-based paint. If you disturb more than a few square feet of any painted surface you must either test first to be sure there is no lead or you must treat the jobsite as if a lead hazard exists. You also are required to educate the homeowner with some gov't supplied information, and have completed training as Christian mentions.

I've only read a little about it in some trade mags so don't take this as the authoritative source. If you work on older homes do some research and stay in compliance - the penalties for ignoring the law are steep.

[wberminio]

Is this regulation nation wide?

[navigator7]

Wait till one of you guys who owns a rental or some such and it is reported as a meth lab .... whether a real or fabricated report!
The government flat takes it over. Property and all.
Quite scary. The financial burden is on the property owner. It seems the limit of spending for "Remediation" is limited to the wealth of the property owner. Its abuse of power, frankly.
Druggies, seeking to out competition, report competition as a meth lab site.
Even if the claim is total BS......the owner of the property is truly screwed.
Happened here!
Lead? Bah......worry about meth!
I'd rather have asbestos and Mesothelioma.

[coach]

so if I report every cainet shop in Florida......I be only one left.
I bet I would make more than my 100.00 a day then.,,,,,,,kidding, I am only making 7.00 a day.

[coach]

wasn't the lead thing based on toy makers?
due to the chineese importing lead based paint.

lead laws have been in effect since at least the early 80's. (My first exposure)
I remember rebuilding stadium bleachers. The wood seats were lead based and had to be packaged into large bags and then were transported to Vermont. Why vermont I don't know.

[navigator7]

@ David,
I don't know about Florida except what I learn from Ron White.
He was arrested for .7 of an once of pot. But as Ron stated, they passed three crack houses and a murder on the way to arrest him.

$7 a day, huh? Sounds like the land of milk and honey.

[coach]

The stadium was in the 80's, that was when I was a welder in Massachusetts.

I am such a braggart,,,it is really 6.00 a day.

[dewey_dog]

The Government keeps making it more expensive to do business. Here is a link to the new lead requirements for contractors disturbing walls in houses prior to 1978

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=f07a90b05d8e4481e1f462a217a2b789&rg n=div5&view=text&node=40:30.0.1.1.13&idno=40#40:30 .0.1.1.13.3

[ntsubotasbcglobalnet]

First of all I am a newbee here on the ShopBot Forum and I would like to share with you my profession. I am a "retired" Environmental Health and Safety Professional located in Northern California. I have been in this profession for the past 40 years and I have studied the regulations prior to 1972. (Richard Nixon was President).....;)

This Lead Regulation that is quoted is from the GPOACCESS website. This is the Government Printing Office. Before ANY Shopbot owner goes out and spends money to comply with the Lead Standard (Pb) in each state. They need to consult with the local EPA office or an EH&S Professional. I work primarily in California, the state with a HOLLYWOOD ACTOR as the governor. (aka....governator...I will anilate the "bad guys".) The peoples republic of Kalifornia.

:) The Good News

If a Shopbot owner is working with Lead (Pb). I think that they should look to getting some serious professional help. This help is usually FREE, or at a very low cost. The FIRST place I would look for help is your Insurance Agent. If you have a business based on the ShopBot you should have this EXPENSIVE machine covered for "Fire and Liability Coverages". Ask your agent to get you information on this Lead Regulation (Pb) proposed by the EPA.

:rolleyes:Free Help

I would advise you to get as much information as possible before SPENDING a DIME on an EPA regulation.

This regulation has to do with the removal of "finishes" inside of a home.
How many are using a ShopBot in their "home" ?

I do not have a ShopBot but I was thinking of putting this 48x96PRT unit in my "garage" and mostly working with wood or plastics.

Check out the following websites and "search" on the word "Lead" or "Pb".

www.OSHA.gov (http://www.OSHA.gov) Occupational Safety and Health Administration-workplace
www.CDC.gov (http://www.CDC.gov) Center for Disease Control-drill down to NIOSH this is the National Institute for Occupational Health. This is the "research" arm for OSHA and there are a number of FREE publications on Lead (Pb).
www.HUD.gov (http://www.HUD.gov) This is the Housing and Urban Development . They have regulations when dealing with Pb in Public Housing Projects.
www.EPA.gov (http://www.EPA.gov) This is the Environmental Protection Agency. This is a large and confusing site when you search for Pb information.
www.dir.ca.gov (http://www.dir.ca.gov) This is the California OSHA regulations on Pb in the work place.

$$$$:eek:

Now if any ShopBot users stil want to spend $ 10,000- $15,000 for Pb compliance I will gladly take your money and spend it on MY ShopBot, garage, and computer/software.

Seriously, if anyone has Pb in there ShopBot I will answer ANY question emailed to me, with NO CHARGE (FREE Pb information). But shouldn't this discussion be related to the ShopBot ? (and NOT EPA laws ?)

Thank You,

Neil Tsubota
Certified Safety Professional
Registered Environmental Assessor
Affillate Member of the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation

[bleeth]

Neil: Many of us who use Shop-bots in our business are involved in remodelling work as part of that business in residential and/or commercial construction. Therefore the government regulations on Lead remediation in rehab work can be quite relevant.
Although the regulations regarding dangerous chemicals can seem quite draconian at times, many of them, IMHO, are the direct result of manufacturers ignoring their first hand knowledge of the associated dangers, not posting clear directions for safe use on thier products, and employers, employees, and shop owners not having the desire or ability to search out the info on their own.
I grew up in the "Sunshine State" and got much of my skills training in the boat industry where styrenes in many forms were used on a daily basis with little regard to their affects.
Now, in the cabinet business, I see men spraying urea and formaldehyde based products with no masks or gloves as well as improper ventilation, washing their hands in lacquer thinner, and otherwise shortening their lives.
Having worked in Asbestos remediation projects in the past, I have no trouble imagining why the government is setting standards for dealing with building remodeling in the presence of lead paint. Since a large portion of my work is in health related faciities, some of which were built many years ago, there is no doubt that when old walls are removed there is a good chance that there is lead paint in there somewhere on many occasions.
Safe removal and disposal of these products IS important.
Despite the increased costs and challenges involved I applaud the steps being taken by many developers to make their new projects "green" in their choice of materials. Like any new technology, the initial costs are higher but will probably come down in time as the systems are more common.
Unfortunately, there is definately such a thing as overdoing regulation to the point where smaller businessmen cannot affor to comply. This is the concern initially expressed. Information from an expert such as yourself assisting in this area is much appreciated.

Dave

[bigboxkurt]

From what I've read the lead laws are quite interesting. They apply not only to things a kid might put in their mouth because it fits (a small wooden toy engine for instance), but to things which are designed for kids to use. For example if anyone has read about the big fight between dirt bike manufacturers and these laws. Kids aren't going to put dirt bike parts in their mouths, but they are restricted in many ways because the wiring, engine parts, bearings etc can contain some degree of lead.

I read an article in a wood magazine which was talking to some shop owners who specialize in hand made wooden toys, and they're scared out of their minds because the burden of proof falls to them. They use all natural finishes...beeswax and the like...but that doesn't really help them because they still need to prove there is no lead.

Not sure what the most up to date info is on this topic, but it makes me want to say the hell with kids anything.