Indexed Rolling Pins

[rb99]

Have these been posted before?

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27447&stc=1

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27448&stc=1

[myxpykalix]

I had thought about that a long time ago, just never did anything about it. Good idea.

[chiloquinruss]

Those of you with and indexer, how about a guesstimate about how long to cut one of these. They are fantastic. Talk about a unique craft show project, wow! This may be the product / idea to get my indexer on the drawing borad. Thanks for posting. Russ

[rb99]

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27448&stc=1

Notice the small lettering around the handle^.

[bill.young]

Hey Russ...I think I remember seeing a setup that held a round blank directly below the bit and traveled back and forth with the gantry. Seems like the blank just rolled on the table and you cut it as a flat file who's length was the same as the circumference of the blank/rolling pin.

Anyone else remember that, or did i just dream it?

[Burkhardt]

Those of you with and indexer, how about a guesstimate about how long to cut one of these......
Should not be any difference in cut time than carving the same pattern from a flat sheet of the same surface area. My best guess for my own machine would be 10-20 minutes with a vcarve and flat bottom bit, plus roughing the precise dowel diameter. But there are a lot of variables.

I have seen such rolling pins but was always wondering why they usually only imprint the surface pattern and not the cutout shape of the cookie. I guess that would be easy enough to do as well? And while not looking as nice, making from HDPE might be easier to clean.

[steve_g]

Yes, Bill, that sure sounds familiar!
Are these laser cut?
SG

[phil_o]

Very nice.
Phil

[rtfosmoe]

I believe most of these are made using a laser cutter with an indexer.

[Joe Porter]

Bill, I think the indexer you are talking about is something someone came up with on the Shark Forum. Also I think someone on the CarveWright Forum has something similar...joe

[genek]

Those were lasered. However one could do something like that with a indexer, you would just have to remove the hanldes to be able to clamp it in the indexer.

[knight_toolworks]

Those of you with and indexer, how about a guesstimate about how long to cut one of these. They are fantastic. Talk about a unique craft show project, wow! This may be the product / idea to get my indexer on the drawing borad. Thanks for posting. Russ


looks like laser work to me. it looks pretty slow with a small bit.

[genek]

Those of you with and indexer, how about a guesstimate about how long to cut one of these. They are fantastic. Talk about a unique craft show project, wow! This may be the product / idea to get my indexer on the drawing borad. Thanks for posting. Russ Russ I have a very unusual rolling pin That I do on a dublicating lathe. it has a ball on each end and it sales very well. would work great on a indexer. However I do not have a indexer. I have only a flat drawing of the profile. if interested could send you that drawing.

[genek]

I just posted a drawing for a ball end rolling pin. System would not allow me to post it here.

[chiloquinruss]

Thanks I'll take a look and see. Right now I'm doing more deacon bench's for another church. Should be caught up in a week or two and then I am going to really research this as a project to get an indexer up and running in my shop. Russ

[genek]

Thanks I'll take a look and see. Right now I'm doing more deacon bench's for another church. Should be caught up in a week or two and then I am going to really research this as a project to get an indexer up and running in my shop. Russ
No problem Russ another good rolling pins are the french rolling pin and the bakers... The bakers is 2 diameter up to 3 inch and 18 to 24 inches and just striaght. The french tapers from 1.5 to 2 inches down to 3/4

[Tim Lucas]

No problem Russ another good rolling pins are the french rolling pin and the bakers... The bakers is 2 diameter up to 3 inch and 18 to 24 inches and just striaght. The french tapers from 1.5 to 2 inches down to 3/4

Wouldn't that make your cookies whopsided? :rolleyes:

[genek]

Wouldn't that make your cookies whopsided? :rolleyes:
The taper does not go all the way to center only a few inches.

[Burkhardt]

Wouldn't that make your cookies whopsided? :rolleyes:

We use such a French pin all the time to roll out pizza dough. The idea with the taper is that you can control the local pressure along the length of the pin. No handles needed since you push down with your palms. I like it better for pizza and flat bread than the classic cylindrical pins with handle. For cookies I am not sure, though.

[myxpykalix]

Wouldn't you need TWO rolling pins? One flat, no design to flatten then the designed one to make the decorations?

[genek]

We use such a French pin all the time to roll out pizza dough. The idea with the taper is that you can control the local pressure along the length of the pin. No handles needed since you push down with your palms. I like it better for pizza and flat bread than the classic cylindrical pins with handle. For cookies I am not sure, though.
You are totaly correct on the French rolling pin. With the French pin if you roll off the dough it does not leave a mark.

[Burkhardt]

After this discussion I could not resist and give it a try. Thought it to be easy but, well, it is not that trivial. So I went to the local Chinese supermarket (I live in Los Angeles) and bought a few 2" dia x 10" handled rolling pins for $3.99 each. I can not buy the lumber here for that and they have about the right size. Then I picked a design tho wrap around that pin (a vectorized frog that I found and modified and a silhouette of Jake and Elwood) more a random pick to try it out:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DmqbFJeMpec/VuX_Co7_jQI/AAAAAAAAGKs/RxixkeqeRyYq_k9aM7lP0Fis8d1c8mI7Q/w1152-h779-no/CookieDesign.jpg

Then I tried for a while to carve this pattern with standard V-Carve methods, failing to realize that a wrapped v-carve path does not really work when the depth is a significant percentage of the dowel diameter. I tried 1/4" depth on that 2" dowel. The flat bottom tool paths don't fit the v-bit at the bottom anymore. The v-bit also liked to rip off small features at the bottom and a really small 0.04 endmill was needed for all the detail. Oh, well. I am sure it can be done but I lost patience and went full 3d.

It was a bit tedious because Vcarve does not support extrusion but I used it to trace the image, export the dxf vectors, extrude (and taper the sides) in my CAD program, re-import as .STL, create roughing and finish toolpaths flat (since Vcarve does not support direct toolpath wrapping and the gadget is clumsy). Fortunately I can wrap it in my machine control program.

So, here is the result of the roughing tool path with a 1/8" downcut endmill. It shows already that my Chinese pin is a bit of the stringy kind. I suspect it is basswood.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cDKxPd-CkCY/VuX_DOCt2WI/AAAAAAAAGKw/_XFJ8Ruerl06VJutPBqHt92g4exwSBF6g/w1586-h825-no/DSC00358.JPG

After the finish cut with a 0.045" ball end bit it looks much better. However, due to the small 40% stepover there are still many stringy fuzzies where the bit cuts at an angle against the grain:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-88TBnF-aFe0/VuX_Du663mI/AAAAAAAAGK0/48tO_XifMy0ijBk6S03XlWqVdi9GGVx2g/w1586-h679-no/DSC00364.JPG

It took a while to get rid of the fuzzies with a glass fiber pen and I guess this is a respectable first attempt. But for a real project I will use better wood and more tool path overlap. Might be a nice way to make pins for company or sports team logo cookies.
Now I am off to mix the cookie dough....I will use the Springerle (https://www.google.com/search?q=springerle&safe=strict&biw=1920&bih=955&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAs4Wx-b7LAhWELSYKHQ7FBksQ_AUIBigB)method to (hopefully) achieve the detail.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nhfy1NpMnwU/VuX_END8RKI/AAAAAAAAGK4/j7mIw47-DhsdovVOO-aizdZbpL06q3NZA/w1585-h455-no/DSC00366.JPG

[myxpykalix]

Gert,
Have you tried this on dough yet? I wonder if you have made the carving too deep with the boundries would seem like it might go all the way thru the thickness of the dough and cut it out as to just imprinting the design...am i wrong?

[Burkhardt]

Well, I just got that done this afternoon and we are out of eggs. So, I have not tried that yet on dough...

But the deep carving and cutting out the cookie with the narrow boundary is actually the intent of this design. I am no pastry chef and have no idea if it will work but hope I can tell you sometimes. If I don't post the results, just assume it did not work ;-)

I may try the next version cut out of a 2.5" PVC pipe.

[rb99]

PVC will put dioxin in your cookies.

[myxpykalix]

In my hometown they have a "pierogifest" and i'm watching this thread with interest so i can make some of these for custom pierogi's

[Burkhardt]

PVC will put dioxin in your cookies.

Naaa, this is regular PVC pipe used all over the place for drinking water and approved according to NSF 61 (National Sanitation Foundation). It is tested to not leach out any nasty stuff.

[Burkhardt]

In my hometown they have a "pierogifest" and i'm watching this thread with interest so i can make some of these for custom pierogi's

Sounds like another interesting application. Why not give that a try?

Tonight I mixed the dough and rolled it out. Not so bad for a first try. Cutting out the perimeter of each cookie with the pin worked well and they did not stick onto the roll cavities as I had feared.

The cookies will dry overnight to stabilize the imprint and be baked tomorrow. After that 2-3 weeks storage.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-blv_mPt2vBI/Vud7T-IHHwI/AAAAAAAAGLI/n8VuPagycWUHJvis4lgzfVipRPTdpM4-Q/w1252-h835-no/DSC00371.JPG

[scottp55]

Congrats G. :)
Without an indexer, I've always thought a regular Springerle cook mold might be nice to try(where the flat rolling pin cuts out the cookies).
Butter cookies YUM.
scott

[Burkhardt]

...Butter cookies YUM....

Well, the cookies are supposed to be stored in a tin box for 2-3 weeks before becoming edible. But they did not rise properly during baking and when I nibbled on one it tasted sweet but otherwise like cardboard.
Oh well, I must have made some mistake with the recipe or the baking procedure but as mentioned, I am no pastry chef...and it was anyway only a proof of concept for the patterned roller pin.