more chairs...

[Ajcoholic]

A new design - reworking a 24" seat height base, with a longer back leg and a new style back.

The owners of these had me build them 8 similar ones in birch a few years back. They wanted 4 red ones for their kitchen.

American poplar. Primed with a pre cat primer and two coats of red post-catalyzed lacquer.

Will be buffed one more time tomorrow and one last coat of lacquer.

Pretty bold colour for a kitchen chair.. lol

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[Ajcoholic]

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As per my usual methods, the seat was completely cut on the Shopbot, legs were cut out on the Shopbot as well, and so was the foot reast and back rest (3D shaped front).

[Ajcoholic]

JFYI one chair has a slightly different back rest.. thats my prototype. Staying with me. The other four are for the customer.

Dont want anyone to think I make chairs with non- matching backs! :)

[bobmoore]

Very nice Andrew. You inspired me a couple years ago to make a set of 24 inch stools. I will post them as soon as I get a chance.
Bob

[Simops]

Quality product as always Andrew.........
What's the joinery you used between legs and seat?

Cheers

[Ajcoholic]

Quality product as always Andrew.........
What's the joinery you used between legs and seat?

Cheers

Front legs are sized down and fit into a slot into the seat. The top of the leg is cut back on three sides, so the seat sits on the shoulders. The fit is tight, and epoxied in with West Systems marine epoxy. Have many of this style in use without failures.

Rear leg is grooved both sides and fits into the notch in the seat. Again this makes for a very secure joint. I do use a few screws to hold things together until the adhesive sets up.

I'll try and find some pics of the legs and seat on the CNC.

[Brian Harnett]

Nice chairs, has the 60s look to them.

[Ajcoholic]

Nice chairs, has the 60s look to them.

Lol Brian, I was born in 1970... Just a bit late!

This design - which I have said before I stole from one of the woodworking magazines several years ago - has been the basis for many iterations of chair and stool.

It's amazing how with a bit different shaping, back design, etc you can achieve a really different look.

[myxpykalix]

Such nice professional quality work that it seems odd to cover them with paint. I think they would look better with wood grain showing...but that's just me...

[James M]

Andrew,

Those are beautiful chairs. I'm sure they are the highlight of the kitchen, in terms of the colour.

Did you model them in 3d and cut the legs by cutting one side and then the other?

J

[mtylerfl]

Beautiful work, Andrew! I absolutely love the great quality red lacquer finish - really gives the chairs a nice, neat POP! Your work is inspiring, as always.

[Ajcoholic]

Andrew,

Those are beautiful chairs. I'm sure they are the highlight of the kitchen, in terms of the colour.

Did you model them in 3d and cut the legs by cutting one side and then the other?



J

Thanks - here is some more detail, I took some rendering snaps to clear anything up.

First, the seat. I cut the seat carve with a 5/8" diameter two flute solid carbide ball end mill (Onsrud). Since I bought my machine in 2012, it has been my go to bit for carving furniture parts. I some day plan to buy a 3/4" ball end mill, since I can take up to a 3/4" shank tool in my spindle. These larger solid carbide bits arent cheap but they run great and the edge lasts a long time. I have cut a lot of parts with the same bit.

I cut the outline with a 1/2" end mill, which of course leaves the inside corners at a 1/4" radius (more about this in a bit).

If I am going to round the edges of the seat, Ill do that after with a hand held router, and finish up the shaping with a rasp or sander(s)

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[Ajcoholic]

For the legs.. here is how I do it:

Front legs - I laminate a panel of solid wood up, dressed to 1 3/4" thick. The legs are cut looking from the side - and I can pocket an undercut for the top (forming the first shoulder of the "tenon") and also pocket a groove for the foot rest (3/4"). Once the outline is cut, forming the front and rear tapers, it also forms the other two shoulders of the top tenon. These of course will have a 1/4" radius, while the pocketed shoulder will have a square inside corner.

To fit the front legs (which I leave just a bit tight) I take a hand router and a 1/4" radius quarter round bit, and radius the front and rear edges of the underside of the cut in. Then, I use a shoulder plane to fit the front leg for a nice tight fit (not too tight though) and the radius on the leg top shoulders sit up tight against the seat, since I have rounded these over.

Oh yes, I forgot one thing. The vertical edges of the leg tenon must be rounded over. I do this to approx. a 1/4" radius quickly, with a #7 rasp and some experience eye balling the radius. Now the leg will fit tight and I epoxy it into the seat, while the foot rail is also glued in.

Looks like a weak joint, but it is very strong. The front legs are not handed. Left and right are the same.

To form the taper on the leg front profile, I set up a jig and cut it on my table saw. I could 3D it on the router but that would IMO be too slow. Saw is fast and takes minutes to do a set of legs.

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[Ajcoholic]

rear legs.. watch it now because there are left and right sides/handed.

Same idea. Pocket the face for one side of the seat to rear leg joint. Other side is formed with the cut out, as are the side tapers.

The front to back tapers I cut on the band saw and sand on the edge sander. I sometimes taper both faces, sometimes the inside face and other times the outside face.

Tapering the faces differently gives the chair a different look. Makes the rear legs looked splayed out further, or less, and the top of the leg where the back rest attaches is also tapered various ways depending on the design of the chair. All starting with the same blank though.

I also rout the underside and top of the seat rear leg notch - but just the edge corresponding to the pocket that has left a radiused top and bottom edge. And, I rasp the leg inside corner to fit into the leg notch which is also left rounded by the 1/2" bit.

Sounds like a bit of work, but it goes quickly.

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[Ajcoholic]

Ill find a few photos of chairs I did previous to show the joint...

Here we go.. front leg joint in a walnut chair that had a more rounded, shaped look.

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rear leg

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[Ajcoholic]

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[Ajcoholic]

Beautiful work, Andrew! I absolutely love the great quality red lacquer finish - really gives the chairs a nice, neat POP! Your work is inspiring, as always.

The red is unique.. lol. This is the kitchen they are going in: we just finished it in August. Three at the island and one at the desk section.

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[dmidkiff]

Wow Andrew, you and your crew do amazing work.

[scottp55]

Hiding all that beautiful wood and joinery seems a shame though.
Great job Andrew!!
scott

[James M]

Andrew,

Those chairs will be a beautiful addition to that kitchen.

Also, thanks for sharing the details of how you made them on the shopbot.

J

[Ajcoholic]

Delivered yesterday... the job is complete.

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[nat_wheatley]

Beautiful work and craftsmanship Andrew.

[Simops]

Hi Andrew......I notice that the kitchen cabinets are very much how they are done here. I've noticed over the years looking at online content and magazines that the Americans tend to use face frames a lot with cabinet construction. That was the style when I was a kid but haven't seen face frames used here for many decades now and instead it's all European hinges and slides direct to case sides with overplayed doors and drawers. I would say that is now 99.9% the practice here that I've seen. Is it the same in Canada? Also noted that natural solid wood look kitchens have lost interest here and the painted, vinyl wrap, two pack, etc. look more the fashion with polished concrete, man made and natural stone tops.

Cheers

[Ajcoholic]

Hi Andrew......I notice that the kitchen cabinets are very much how they are done here. I've noticed over the years looking at online content and magazines that the Americans tend to use face frames a lot with cabinet construction. That was the style when I was a kid but haven't seen face frames used here for many decades now and instead it's all European hinges and slides direct to case sides with overplayed doors and drawers. I would say that is now 99.9% the practice here that I've seen. Is it the same in Canada? Also noted that natural solid wood look kitchens have lost interest here and the painted, vinyl wrap, two pack, etc. look more the fashion with polished concrete, man made and natural stone tops.

Cheers

For sure, solid colour cabinetry has become a lot more popular in the past several years here. I still do wood (stained or natural) and also face frame style. Actually the largest kitchen I did in a while was done this year, all in African mahogany and it was an inset, face frame kitchen. But solid colour is for sure popular.

In terms of style, frame-less has taken off here, mainly (in my opinion) due to the fact almost no one is set up anymore to do cabinetry like we are - every other shop is doing Euro style frame-less, melamine cabinets and then buying in doors (vinyl wrap, melamine, lacquered MDF etc) From most shops here, face frame is no longer an option. Even a real wood kitchen is hard to get now.

I will and can do all styles - melamine, wood, paint grade, etc. I give my customer the options, pricing, and let then decide what they want to go with.