Aspire 10.5 Available

[coryatjohn]

I just got a notice about 10.5. Some interesting new things, especially being able to toolpath a thread. Not sure how I'd use it since only gigantic threads could be cut with a CNC but it's nice to have it available.

[scottp55]

Lots of interesting new features....AND VCP 10.5 came out today...downloading now:)
https://forum.vectric.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35075&sid=c165f05c8143dc903678025517894aa7
Do love the free half grade improvements though!
One day I'll fork over for Aspire like Jeff did...but just can't now:(
scott

[scottp55]

IF a major portion of your work is Pocket Toolpath with a Start Depth.....Wait a bit for next Patch.....Start Depth Bug DOUBLES the Start Depth at this moment in time.
DO be aware that the 10.5* is NOT a Patch....and is treated like an Install.....In Portal....I THINK(?) all you need to download is the "Installer" NOT all the other ones
(besides the Big 30mb 10.5* itself).
NOT sure if any freebies in Aspire need downloading though:(
I won't install 10.5* until the next Patch(soon) until Pocket bug is fixed, but you still need to do the 10.5* VCP install before you can do the patch!
Best to keep current on the Vectric Forum for your product!
Good thing I have 2 new beaver kits learning to swim and chew bark....and twin fawns learning to walk in water to throw coyote off trail...keeps me from meltdown looking out back door:)
(And a young otter with no manners at All.....He and male beaver protecting the kits are going to have a SERIOUS DISCUSSION some day soon on how close he fishes to their den:)
Keeps the BP down:)
scott
Sorry for the animal pics, but machine is down while I fix spoilboard....and I wanted to post Something!

[Jerry Carney]

IF a major portion of your work is Pocket Toolpath with a Start Depth.....Wait a bit for next Patch.....Start Depth Bug DOUBLES the Start Depth at this moment in time.
DO be aware that the 10.5* is NOT a Patch....and is treated like an Install.....In Portal....I THINK(?) all you need to download is the "Installer" NOT all the other ones
(besides the Big 30mb 10.5* itself).
NOT sure if any freebies in Aspire need downloading though:(
I won't install 10.5* until the next Patch(soon) until Pocket bug is fixed, but you still need to do the 10.5* VCP install before you can do the patch!
Best to keep current on the Vectric Forum for your product!
Good thing I have 2 new beaver kits learning to swim and chew bark....and twin fawns learning to walk in water to throw coyote off trail...keeps me from meltdown looking out back door:)
(And a young otter with no manners at All.....He and male beaver protecting the kits are going to have a SERIOUS DISCUSSION some day soon on how close he fishes to their den:)
Keeps the BP down:)
scott
Sorry for the animal pics, but machine is down while I fix spoilboard....and I wanted to post Something!

Scott, nice back yard pictures. JERRY

[scottp55]

OK....VCP 10.503 Patch has fixed a few problems including the Pocketing problem I mentioned.
Here are some of the improvements;
https://forum.vectric.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35075
You STILL have to download 10.5* and the installer from your portal....and THEN Patch it like the last 2(?) VCP *.5** s.

Thanks Jerry:)
Yep, First Beavers didn't start the dam in 2008 early enough, and was so shallow it froze solid and don't think they survived that Winter as dam broke at ice out,and got fixed in 2016 by new pair.
Here it is in 2014 when the tree roots had died and it turned into a sedge meadow(That doe threw twins every year, and is the grandmother of those fawns in other pics.Almost got tame feeding in the meadow that other does didn't quite dare, and got all her younguns to put up with the weird guy in my back atrium door windows:)
2 different pairs of beavers since, and dam is much taller now.....GLAD I'm in a wheelchair and didn't build a basement....pond edge is only 30-35' from window...lively place:)
2 more does are pregnant...and 2 beaver kits are now allowed out of den under supervision and when light is too low for pics....
one of them doesn't like the water and has to get dragged in:)
MUCH prefer it now!!
scott

[scottp55]

I apologize sincerely for totally tromping on your thread John!!:(:(:(
scott

[Burkhardt]

Scott, who is your landscape architect ? :rolleyes:

[Burkhardt]

......... Some interesting new things, especially being able to toolpath a thread. Not sure how I'd use it since only gigantic threads could be cut with a CNC but it's nice to have it available.

Not that gigantic....I posted an example project on the Aspire forum: https://forum.vectric.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=35147

[scottp55]

Simple G:)
Just hire some bucktooth aquatic dam-building rodents and give Mother Nature 12yrs:)
scott

[srwtlc]

Like this little guy! ;)

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33979&stc=1

[coryatjohn]

More thread drift...

Whenever I see the name STIHL, I think back to the 90's, when STIHL hired me to do a month long complex data conversion project.

Upon delivery of the finished product, they told me I did a great job and were happy. I asked for my check and I was told it was going to be mailed from corporate. My terms for one time customers have always been payment upon delivery. I made an exception because STIHL was a national brand.

30 days later, no check. I called their office and they told me they changed the specifications and my work was no longer relevant. I wasn't going to be paid. Well, that was an $8,000 mistake on my part.

About three months later, I get a panicked call from a VP regarding the tapes they gave me that I used in the project. The tapes I had were their only copies and they needed them back fast. I told the VP that yes, I had the tapes. He asked how quickly I could get them down to their office. I replied "I can see them from where I sit and they are safe and intact." He asked if I would bring them down immediately and I said "Sure, how quickly do you want them?" He responded "We're down and need them to restore our system." I replied "I can have them to you in an hour." He thanked me profusely and went on and on how they had never made a backup. I replied "I can have them there in 20 minutes." A pause of silence. "I have your check." I told him "You need to cut a new check as the amount is wrong." He was puzzled and went over my invoice and the check amount. "Did you read the contract we signed?" He said no. "I have a late fee of 30% per month. Your company agreed to the terms and now it's 90 days late. That's 30% compounded monthly in late fees." He swore angrily and slammed the phone down.

I went back to work and started whistling a happy tune. About twenty minutes later, the VP of operations, his boss, called me, hat in hand, asking if we could negotiate on the late charges. We settled on $12k. I drove the tapes down to their office, and a very pretty young lady comes running out, excited "Please give me the tapes, we need them!!!!". I said "Well hold on their missy. Where's my check?" She said "It's coming! I need the tapes." I responded back how I'd love to give them to her but my terms, as always, are payment on delivery. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.).

I sat there and waited nearly two hours as they fumbled around. Right before lunch, some low end secretary came out with two checks. One for $8k and another for $4k. She handed me the checks, I handed her the tapes. Nobody actually looked to see if they were real. I guess they trusted me. Odd. I made the deposit fully expecting the checks to be stopped but they had the sense not to do something so foolhardy.

Ever since then, when I see the name STIHL, I feel a sense of both rage and intense satisfaction.

Funny thing, when they gave me the tapes, they told me to be careful as they were the only copies. Hmmm.

It's always good to keep a little leverage.

[scottp55]

Excellent Story John:)
When I General'd the house, only the very biggest company(furnace/hydronic heat/general plumbing) screwed me....the little guy handshake deals worked out great(except for 1 tile guy).
GLAD you got satisfaction!

My guys are Jonsered Beavers Scott! :) :)
Although that Sugar Maple is STILL standing deadwood after 5 yrs.

[Jerry Carney]

More thread drift...

Whenever I see the name STIHL, I think back to the 90's, when STIHL hired me to do a month long complex data conversion project.

Upon delivery of the finished product, they told me I did a great job and were happy. I asked for my check and I was told it was going to be mailed from corporate. My terms for one time customers have always been payment upon delivery. I made an exception because STIHL was a national brand.

30 days later, no check. I called their office and they told me they changed the specifications and my work was no longer relevant. I wasn't going to be paid. Well, that was an $8,000 mistake on my part.

About three months later, I get a panicked call from a VP regarding the tapes they gave me that I used in the project. The tapes I had were their only copies and they needed them back fast. I told the VP that yes, I had the tapes. He asked how quickly I could get them down to their office. I replied "I can see them from where I sit and they are safe and intact." He asked if I would bring them down immediately and I said "Sure, how quickly do you want them?" He responded "We're down and need them to restore our system." I replied "I can have them to you in an hour." He thanked me profusely and went on and on how they had never made a backup. I replied "I can have them there in 20 minutes." A pause of silence. "I have your check." I told him "You need to cut a new check as the amount is wrong." He was puzzled and went over my invoice and the check amount. "Did you read the contract we signed?" He said no. "I have a late fee of 30% per month. Your company agreed to the terms and now it's 90 days late. That's 30% compounded monthly in late fees." He swore angrily and slammed the phone down.

I went back to work and started whistling a happy tune. About twenty minutes later, the VP of operations, his boss, called me, hat in hand, asking if we could negotiate on the late charges. We settled on $12k. I drove the tapes down to their office, and a very pretty young lady comes running out, excited "Please give me the tapes, we need them!!!!". I said "Well hold on their missy. Where's my check?" She said "It's coming! I need the tapes." I responded back how I'd love to give them to her but my terms, as always, are payment on delivery. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.).

I sat there and waited nearly two hours as they fumbled around. Right before lunch, some low end secretary came out with two checks. One for $8k and another for $4k. She handed me the checks, I handed her the tapes. Nobody actually looked to see if they were real. I guess they trusted me. Odd. I made the deposit fully expecting the checks to be stopped but they had the sense not to do something so foolhardy.

Ever since then, when I see the name STIHL, I feel a sense of both rage and intense satisfaction.

Funny thing, when they gave me the tapes, they told me to be careful as they were the only copies. Hmmm.

It's always good to keep a little leverage.

Love your story, nothing like a little leverage. Keep it up. Thanks JERRY

[srwtlc]

Guessing he got halfway through and ran out of gas!? :D

[scottp55]

Just guessing Scott....But I think he dulled his bits on the Sugar Maple and didn't like the chip size.
Liked the chip size better and bit longevity working Poplar.....and tastes almost as good as Maple tops with half the work:)

[JimDav]

Love those kinds of stories. We were owed some 20K from a catalog company I build for. No one was answering phones or emails. Then they placed orders for 2 jobs. We asked about the late funds. ' Ah, well. Let me find out.' Soon VP emailed that he put us on priority pay. Check came - 7K was my part. Requested jobs were run and shipped. Will be interesting to see if e are still on priority pay or when/how that invoicing works out. Nice to have leverage.

[MogulTx]

SO I went to the article... but did not see the reference to the bit that one would use for tapping/threading. I will assume it would be some form of specialty wood-thread tap? I am now curious about this because I have thought often of doing threads onto/into plastic and this may be my path forward! Thanks for any assistance you folks can offer. Monty

[coryatjohn]

Regarding threads: For outside threads, such as a round object, using an indexer and a V carve end mill should be great. Lots of possibilities there. For inside threads, such as inside a table leg mount, the options are very limited.

Inside thread limitations: (my opinion)
1. The end mill has to have a horizontal cutting edge, like an edge beading tool.
2. The end mill and cutting head have to fit inside the "hole" to be threaded.
3. The threads per inch count has to take into account that the spinning end mill will cut a rather wide swath into the material, so only very coarse threads are possible.
4. The deeper the threads are cut, the lower the thread count per inch.
5. There are very few edge beading cutting tools available that would work.

Here's a tool that would cut inside threads: (minus the bearings of course)

33983

[evan]

Vectric V10.5 Tutorials | Thread Milling Toolpath Guide 2D Toolpaths https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehb6KKyLdcI

[Burkhardt]

Magnate #796 works well for male and female threads diameter 3/4" or bigger. it is 1-7/8" long and can cut threads about 1-1/4" long. It is also quite reasonably priced ($18). The 90-degree profile angle makes more robust threads in wood than the typical 60 degree angle used for metals.
Here some pics of my latest project with Vcarve/Aspire 10.5. All parts were finished before assembly and then bolted together with the wooden screws.
33984 33985
33986 33987

[coryatjohn]

Great work there. I bought a couple of those 796 bits just now.

[scottp55]

THAT is a really slick piece of work G. !
Well done from design to finish!
scott